from bangladesh from india or the europe countries will institute the 2 or 300. then there's somalis outside, and who have lived from all of much of their live outside of somali, including the 30 from the united states we talked about. that number could be as high as 1,000 or so. again the numbers are fuzzy. it's a fairly significant number. that's what we are facing with al shabaab. primarily somalis from somalia, and then the somali diaspora, the ethnic link, and the real hard core group which is ideological and committed and ruthless. they are the folks that from to jihad battles or the coast, they are not somalis. >> is there complexity with al shabaab and piracy, or is that random criminal activity? >> that is being searched for and continues to be searched for. the links appear to be certainly not motivational. the pirates are criminals there inspired by the need for money. al shabaab has certainly in the core leadership has clearly ideologically motivate. i think there's a number around that that has -- as dr.pham has talked about, they come and go and are